OP/GHB Vragen en Antwoorden: verschil tussen versies

Uit FOK!wiki
Ga naar: navigatie, zoeken
(2046)
 
Regel 1: Regel 1:
comment5, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19580 Short flirty prom dresses, 737925, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19581 Short formal dresses, aeh, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19611 Sissy maid dresses,  ssng, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19569 Sheer red dress galleries, =O, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19638 Sonali bendre in transparent dress,  awqht, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19619 Skimpy dress, 2001, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19555 Sexy wedding dresses, pckzcw, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19628 Smocked bishop dresses, 531, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19574 Shirt dresses, =-), http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19647 Speechless dresses, opr, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19620 Skimpy dresses,  790, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19564 Sheath dresses,  307921, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19592 Shoshanna strapless dress,  mxxn, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19603 Sissy dress for men,  :-[[, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19575 Shirtwaist dress, guxdc, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19622 Sky breeze dress up games, iut, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19632 Smocked dresses,  %[, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19605 Sissy dress tie up bondage,  14691, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19643 Special ocassion dresses,  sgurw, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19609 Sissy husband dress,  >:]]], http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19640 Southern belle dresses,  >:-]], http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19637 Somali wedding dress, 6122, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19558 Shanna moakler wedding dress, 27701, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19579 Short evening dresses,  :-PPP, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19583 Short prom dress,  8(, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19559 Sharp dressed man, sxajhn, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19639 Southern belle dress,  =]], http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19626 Slutty prom dresses, ygzie, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19596 Simplicity skating dress pattern,  278, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19635 Soft calm feminine dress,  reu, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19625 Slutty dresses,  66849, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19641 Southwest airlines dress code,  :))), http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19577 Short cocktail dresses,  %(, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19613 Sissy party dresses,  ijvga, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19598 Sissy boy forced to cross dress,  guktv, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19612 Sissy men in dresses,  031019, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19645 Special occassion dress,  fiky, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19589 Short wedding dresses,  pxf, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19560 Sharp dressed man lyrics,  sxexw, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19606 Sissy dress up,  %))), http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19563 Sheath dress,  olz, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19600 Sissy boys in dresses,  424, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19629 Smocked christmas dress,  561, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19608 Sissy dresses little girl,  eez, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19604 Sissy dress maid,  utkchw, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19614 Sissy plastic dress,  14639, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19593 Show choir dresses,  =-PP, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19634 Smocked waist dresses,  =-[[, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19567 Sheer dress,  893, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19602 Sissy dress bondage,  apf, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19616 Sissy's in dresses lingerie,  pfoe, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19550 Sexy roaring 20 s dresses,  167, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19549 Sexy red dress,  =-O, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19636 Soft smooth feminine dress passion,  8], http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19578 Short dresses mini,  =[[, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19630 Smocked christmas dresses,  bdqdvz, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19573 Shirley temple dress,  xaew, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19576 Shirtwaist dresses,  %-D, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19623 Slik dresses,  %[, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19588 Short wedding dress,  01957, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19631 Smocked dress,  9486, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19562 She slowly removed her dress,  =-]], http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19617 Sissyboy pink dresses,  2102, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19607 Sissy dresses dress dressing,  bif, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19597 Sissy adult dress,  hpmre, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19572 Shift dresses,  qed, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19601 Sissy dress,  >:D, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19627 Smocked baby dress,  aoevr, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19570 Sheer romantic dresses,  79216, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19590 Short white informal wedding dress,  vkwp, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19548 Sexy prom dresses,  =-(((, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19594 Silk habotai angel dress,  rkw, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19571 Shelli segal dress sale,  >:))), http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19561 Sharp dressed man mp3,  scwv, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19644 Special occasion dresses stores in wisconsin,  69491, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19554 Sexy wedding dress, %O, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19633 Smocked infant dresses,  =D, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19584 Short prom dresses,  592254, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19642 Sparkle prom dresses,  104, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19557 Shangrila dress by baby phatxdki, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19599 Sissy boys forced to wear dresses,  1195, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19595 Silk hawaiian dresses,  nldme, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19556 Shaman two spirited dress, 987, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19586 Short sleeve dress shirts,  rrpvar, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19552 Sexy silk dresses,  714, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19646 Special occassion dresses,  8[, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19582 Short party dresses,  :OOO, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19585 Short sleeve bridesmaid dress,  :(((, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19591 Shortest dress,  tisg, http://www.larocchetta.net/forum_snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19553 Sexy summer dresses,  39892,
+
De [[OP|openingspost]] van het GHB Vragen en Antwoorden topic.
 +
 
 +
<pre>
 +
 
 +
[b]GHB - Gamma Hydroxybutyrate[/b]
 +
 
 +
[i]Most users find that GHB induces a pleasant state of relaxation and tranquility. Frequent effects are placidity, sensuality, mild euphoria, and a tendency to verbalize. Anxieties and inhibitions tend to dissolve into a feeling of emotional warmth, wellbeing, and pleasant drowsiness. The "morning after" effects of GHB lack the unpleasant or debilitating characteristics associated with alcohol and other relaxation-oriented drugs. In fact, many users report feeling particularly refreshed, even energized, the next day. The effects of GHB can generally be felt within five to twenty minutes after ingestion. They usually last no more than one and a half to three hours, although they can be indefinitely prolonged through repeated dosing.
 +
 
 +
GHB is probably the best substance for inducing sleep, the quickest and best anti-depressant and anti-anxiety agent, the best therapy for narcolepsy, highly useful in alcohol or drug withdrawal, a possible aphrodisiac, a powerful growth hormone inducer, and it facilitates communication and social interaction. Moreover, it is essentially non-toxic and by far the safest substance for these conditions. Incredibly, it has been deliberately misrepresented, demonized and illegally outlawed! [/i]
 +
 
 +
[img]http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/images/naghb_3d_front.jpg[/img]
 +
 
 +
[img]http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/images/ghb_summary1.jpg[/img]
 +
 
 +
[b]Opmerkelijk;[/b]
 +
[quote]GHB's effects last only a few hours during which it metabolizes into CO2 and H2O leaving no toxic metabolites [Vickers, 1969, Laborit, 1972]. Metabolism is so efficient that GHB can no longer be detected in urine four to five hours after it is taken by injection [Laborit, 1964].[/quote]
 +
 
 +
[quote]GHB induces "remarkable hypotonia" (muscle relaxation) [Vickers, 1969]. It is now gaining popularity in France and Italy as an aid to childbirth.[/quote]
 +
 
 +
[quote]In a test of their GHB assay technique, they were able to detect GHB levels of up to 168mg/L in the blood of cadavers that had not ingested any! Barring the possibility of a desperately confused necrophiliac at the coroner's office, it seems that the body may produce huge quantities of endogenous* GHB when near death.[/quote]
 +
 
 +
[quote]The presence of gamma-hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) and gamma-butyrolactone (GBL) in alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages - Elliott S, Burgess V ;
 +
[...]
 +
GHB/GBL was detected in red wine vermouth (8.2mg/L), sherry (9.7mg/L), port (GBL), red wine (4.1-21.4mg/L) and white wine (< 3-9.6mg/L). The presence of GHB/GBL did not appear to be influenced by the alcohol content or the pH of the beverage. In addition, the concentration in wines did not appear to be related to the geographical origin of the grape type. This is believed to be the first published data concerning the endogenous presence of GHB and GBL in the beverages described.[/quote]
 +
 
 +
[quote]
 +
During GHB's influence, sleep is deeper and more restful, but after the GHB has worn off, people have a tendency to wake up. The higher the dose, the greater is this tendency. Some have called this pattern the "dawn effect" and have speculated that it is related to the release of stored-up dopamine. Some people minimize this effect by taking minimal doses of GHB. Others take advantage of this effect by getting a couple of hours of work done in the middle of the night.[/quote]
 +
 
 +
[quote]It is interesting to note that GHB creates the same qualities that are desirable for the practice of Tantric Yoga.[/quote]
 +
 
 +
[img]http://www.jellinek.nl/images/upload/fotogallerij/fotos/ghb01.jpg[/img]
 +
 
 +
[b]Links;[/b]
 +
 
 +
[url=http://www.drugsinfoteam.nl/Ghb.html]Drugsinfoteam over GHB[/url]
 +
[url=http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10208]Complete FAQ @ Lycaeum.org[/url]
 +
[url=http://users.lycaeum.org/~ghbfaq/complete.html]Nog een FAQ @ Lycaeum.org[/url]
 +
[url=http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb.shtml]GHB @ Erowid.org[/url]
 +
[url=http://members.tripod.com/~Aleister_Crowley/BetterSex.html]Better Sex Through Chemistry[/url]
 +
[url=http://www.minvws.nl/kamerstukken/gvm/antwoorden_kamervragen_albayrak_over_het_gebruik_van_ghb.asp]Antwoorden kamervragen Albayrak over het gebruik van GHB[/url]
 +
 
 +
En ook: http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1446157
 +
 
 +
[b]Vorige delen;[/b]
 +
 
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/792007
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/782272
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/752309
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/679488
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/648171
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/615704
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/605721
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/568516
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/527514
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/514676
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/495111
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/465646
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/373397
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/363903
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/811033
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/849990
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/909790
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/959796
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1002202
 +
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1389046
 +
 
 +
[b]Er mogen geen links of namen meer gepost worden van (websites van) leveranciers voor basisproducten van GHB. Ook mogen er geen recepten meer gepost worden, deze zijn nog terug te vinden in de vorige topics en daar zullen we het (helaas) mee moeten doen. [/b]
 +
 
 +
 
 +
Voor meer info: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb.shtml
 +
 
 +
Let op de dosis, en stay safe :W
 +
 
 +
[b]Openingspost[/b]
 +
 
 +
>> Klik [url=http://wiki.fok.nl/index.php?title=OP/GHB_Vragen_en_Antwoorden][b]hier[/b][/url] voor de openingspost, te gebruiken wanneer men het volgende topic in deze reeks wil openen. <<
 +
 
 +
N.B. Let voor het plaatsen van het nieuwe topic op de volgende punten:
 +
- Topictitel en -nummer
 +
- Het updaten van de OP op Fok!wiki indien nodig
 +
 
 +
[b]VOOR VERSLAVINGEN ZIE OOK[/b] http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1317319
 +
 
 +
</pre>
 +
 
 +
N.B. Let voor het plaatsen van het nieuwe topic op de volgende punten:
 +
<br>- Topictitel en -nummer
 +
<br>- Het updaten van de OP op Fok!wiki indien nodig
 +
[[Categorie:OP]][[Categorie:UVT]]

Huidige versie van 29 jun 2011 om 18:18

De openingspost van het GHB Vragen en Antwoorden topic.


[b]GHB - Gamma Hydroxybutyrate[/b]

[i]Most users find that GHB induces a pleasant state of relaxation and tranquility. Frequent effects are placidity, sensuality, mild euphoria, and a tendency to verbalize. Anxieties and inhibitions tend to dissolve into a feeling of emotional warmth, wellbeing, and pleasant drowsiness. The "morning after" effects of GHB lack the unpleasant or debilitating characteristics associated with alcohol and other relaxation-oriented drugs. In fact, many users report feeling particularly refreshed, even energized, the next day. The effects of GHB can generally be felt within five to twenty minutes after ingestion. They usually last no more than one and a half to three hours, although they can be indefinitely prolonged through repeated dosing.

GHB is probably the best substance for inducing sleep, the quickest and best anti-depressant and anti-anxiety agent, the best therapy for narcolepsy, highly useful in alcohol or drug withdrawal, a possible aphrodisiac, a powerful growth hormone inducer, and it facilitates communication and social interaction. Moreover, it is essentially non-toxic and by far the safest substance for these conditions. Incredibly, it has been deliberately misrepresented, demonized and illegally outlawed! [/i]

[img]http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/images/naghb_3d_front.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/images/ghb_summary1.jpg[/img]

[b]Opmerkelijk;[/b]
[quote]GHB's effects last only a few hours during which it metabolizes into CO2 and H2O leaving no toxic metabolites [Vickers, 1969, Laborit, 1972]. Metabolism is so efficient that GHB can no longer be detected in urine four to five hours after it is taken by injection [Laborit, 1964].[/quote]

[quote]GHB induces "remarkable hypotonia" (muscle relaxation) [Vickers, 1969]. It is now gaining popularity in France and Italy as an aid to childbirth.[/quote]

[quote]In a test of their GHB assay technique, they were able to detect GHB levels of up to 168mg/L in the blood of cadavers that had not ingested any! Barring the possibility of a desperately confused necrophiliac at the coroner's office, it seems that the body may produce huge quantities of endogenous* GHB when near death.[/quote]

[quote]The presence of gamma-hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) and gamma-butyrolactone (GBL) in alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages - Elliott S, Burgess V ;
[...]
GHB/GBL was detected in red wine vermouth (8.2mg/L), sherry (9.7mg/L), port (GBL), red wine (4.1-21.4mg/L) and white wine (< 3-9.6mg/L). The presence of GHB/GBL did not appear to be influenced by the alcohol content or the pH of the beverage. In addition, the concentration in wines did not appear to be related to the geographical origin of the grape type. This is believed to be the first published data concerning the endogenous presence of GHB and GBL in the beverages described.[/quote]

[quote]
During GHB's influence, sleep is deeper and more restful, but after the GHB has worn off, people have a tendency to wake up. The higher the dose, the greater is this tendency. Some have called this pattern the "dawn effect" and have speculated that it is related to the release of stored-up dopamine. Some people minimize this effect by taking minimal doses of GHB. Others take advantage of this effect by getting a couple of hours of work done in the middle of the night.[/quote]

[quote]It is interesting to note that GHB creates the same qualities that are desirable for the practice of Tantric Yoga.[/quote]

[img]http://www.jellinek.nl/images/upload/fotogallerij/fotos/ghb01.jpg[/img]

[b]Links;[/b]

[url=http://www.drugsinfoteam.nl/Ghb.html]Drugsinfoteam over GHB[/url]
[url=http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10208]Complete FAQ @ Lycaeum.org[/url]
[url=http://users.lycaeum.org/~ghbfaq/complete.html]Nog een FAQ @ Lycaeum.org[/url]
[url=http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb.shtml]GHB @ Erowid.org[/url]
[url=http://members.tripod.com/~Aleister_Crowley/BetterSex.html]Better Sex Through Chemistry[/url]
[url=http://www.minvws.nl/kamerstukken/gvm/antwoorden_kamervragen_albayrak_over_het_gebruik_van_ghb.asp]Antwoorden kamervragen Albayrak over het gebruik van GHB[/url]

En ook: http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1446157

[b]Vorige delen;[/b]

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/792007
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/782272
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/752309
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/679488
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/648171
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/615704
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/605721
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/568516
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/527514
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/514676
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/495111
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/465646
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/373397
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/363903
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/811033
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/849990
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/909790
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/959796
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1002202
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1389046

[b]Er mogen geen links of namen meer gepost worden van (websites van) leveranciers voor basisproducten van GHB. Ook mogen er geen recepten meer gepost worden, deze zijn nog terug te vinden in de vorige topics en daar zullen we het (helaas) mee moeten doen. [/b]


Voor meer info: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb.shtml 

Let op de dosis, en stay safe  :W 

[b]Openingspost[/b]

>> Klik [url=http://wiki.fok.nl/index.php?title=OP/GHB_Vragen_en_Antwoorden][b]hier[/b][/url] voor de openingspost, te gebruiken wanneer men het volgende topic in deze reeks wil openen. <<

N.B. Let voor het plaatsen van het nieuwe topic op de volgende punten:
- Topictitel en -nummer
- Het updaten van de OP op Fok!wiki indien nodig

[b]VOOR VERSLAVINGEN ZIE OOK[/b] http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1317319

N.B. Let voor het plaatsen van het nieuwe topic op de volgende punten:
- Topictitel en -nummer
- Het updaten van de OP op Fok!wiki indien nodig